Social media, consultancy, training and advice from a flâneur of the internets. Blogger, writer, broadcaster and runner of Birmingham: It's Not Shit.
August 17th, 2009

Lists and aggregators, do it for yourself

Yahoo started as a list of “cool sites” on the web, the founders categorised all the stuff they found on a site called “Jerry and David’s Guide to the World Wide Web” — they just linked to things they liked. As web search was in it’s infancy (remember Lycos and Alta-Vista?) people liked the idea that someone was picking out the good stuff for them so they didn’t have to wade through page after page of barely relevant tosh to find something good.

It wasn’t scalable, though, and with the size of the web Yahoo eventually became a search engine — crucially it left the job of assessing relevancy to a machine, which allowed much more content to be looked at.

I’m watching the internet go through the same processes again both with people and with local social media content — there are directories of people to follow, some generated as lists, very much like Jerry and David did (“Cool people to follow on Twitter”), others more like submitting yourself to a “site directory”. We’d think this crass and inefficient, and open to spam, for websites now but a lot of social media is still at this stage.

This is because “people search” isn’t quite there yet — although searching people’s tweets or Twitter profiles (the stuff they create and keep up to date — no human categorising required) is much more efficient. Check out TweepSearch, and you’ll see it’s getting there — if it were to add in the “recommendation” part or search (links to account Google-style, or @messages to with relevant subjects in the tweet) it would be very useful.

We’re also seeing the idea of local aggregators gain a lot of traction, but aggregators lose out to search in almost all cases. It’s just that the aggregators rely on you having the exact same needs and as the person building the. You build your own “aggregator” by subscribing to the feeds and content you like in whatever reader you wish.

If an aggregator works to becomes useful by taking out the content, then it’s a filter mechanism not an aggregator — and a very different thing — you’re using the human as your filter, which is valid but again not scalable.

Aggregators in themselves are quite an old fashioned way of thinking about content from different places, there’s more value in creating mechanisms (search, sorting, filter, recommendation) to help people select only the relevant parts from different sources than there is collecting content together. We’ve not yet seen the breakthrough in technology that will make this simple and automatic (maybe attention profiling – & APML – will, but it’s not there yet at least in terms of adoption), we still need to rely on a human factor — sharing, “digging”, etc.

For local sites we’re going to need more information about where sites/information is geographically interesting — fuzzy because not everything has an epicentre — and this can only come from users (I’ve been dancing round the idea of Geo-attention data for a while, and think there are ways to capture this).

While it may work for some people, it’s unlikely that anyone’s selection of feeds is the exact right one for many other people — at the very most pulling together an OPML of feeds allows people to conveniently subscribe to the lot and then add/remove as they wish.

So, create your own lists by all means but it’s unlikely that your list or aggregation is going to be the last word — so make sure it’s what you want rather than what you think others will need.

August 7th, 2009

Greenbelt blog

I'm speaking a the Greenbelt festival in Cheltenham, three times (which came as a shock). I've not written anything to say yet, but it will be something along these lines. I'm mainly doing Birmingham and psychogeography, with a little bit of internets thrown in. [link]

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August 3rd, 2009

Hyperlocal, when you don’t want everything

I’ve just created a new version (separate so as not to confuse people) of the Birmingham Hyperlocal News Wire — this one has two improvements:

1) I’ve taken the main lot of blog feeds out and re-imported as a “sub pipe” (another Yahoo Pipe used as input) — this should let me update one source only for a number of pipes — thanks to Michael Grimes for the nudge to this (hope your piping went well).

2) There’s now a second (optional) input — to those who know a little about logic or the more advanced search on Google (for example), this is a NOT field. This means that the pipe will only output items that don’t contain any word you put in here. It’s useful in situations where there is a area you don’t care about and means you get a lot of false positives (“Birmingham CIty” but NOT “Council” — if you only cared about the football team).

Here’s how the NOT addition works inside the pipe:

Pipes: editing 'Birmingham local blog wire - with NOT'

As ever, it’s for you to use, copy or augment:  http://pipes.yahoo.com/bounder/brumlocalwithnot














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