Comments on: Hashtags and the desire to own and organise http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/792/hashtags-and-the-desire-to-own-and-organise/ Social web & social media, consultancy, training and advice from a flâneur of the internets. Blogger, writer, broadcaster and runner of Birmingham: It's Not Shit. I also do the odd bit of art. Thu, 12 Jan 2012 10:48:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Helen http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/792/hashtags-and-the-desire-to-own-and-organise/comment-page-1/#comment-1400 Helen Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:31:26 +0000 http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/?p=792#comment-1400 I remember the 11 bus tag changed from #111111 (or was it #1111?!) because you were getting "Stuck in traffic by Selly Oak Sainsbury's - glad I don't come this way to work!" and then "Honour the dead! People without poppies should be shot!" which was getting confusing. Although it was quite funny. And you could say, well, 11 bus got there first and as I recall, it was decided in advance it would have that tag. But then Bounder & Co. changed it to avoid confusion, to #11bus. Which was perhaps a more intuitive tag anyway.<br><br>I don't remember anyone having a tantrum. Bounder didn't demand that people observing Armistace Day with the same tag he was using change to something else. "This is the official 11 bus hash tag! Stop talking about the war! More buses! Look, we're in Erdington!" I remember the 11 bus tag changed from #111111 (or was it #1111?!) because you were getting “Stuck in traffic by Selly Oak Sainsbury's – glad I don't come this way to work!” and then “Honour the dead! People without poppies should be shot!” which was getting confusing. Although it was quite funny. And you could say, well, 11 bus got there first and as I recall, it was decided in advance it would have that tag. But then Bounder & Co. changed it to avoid confusion, to #11bus. Which was perhaps a more intuitive tag anyway.

I don't remember anyone having a tantrum. Bounder didn't demand that people observing Armistace Day with the same tag he was using change to something else. “This is the official 11 bus hash tag! Stop talking about the war! More buses! Look, we're in Erdington!”

]]> By: Mary Bradley http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/792/hashtags-and-the-desire-to-own-and-organise/comment-page-1/#comment-1399 Mary Bradley Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:21:26 +0000 http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/?p=792#comment-1399 Ah, a perfectly reasonable post :) I think that the impetus behind our goading of the Emerson group is mainly that no one, especially a college class with a roster of rotating participants, can claim ownership of a three letter acronym/unspecific hashtag. It's all fair game. We don't expect them to stop using it and they shouldn't expect us to stop using it either. Hopefully, eventually one of our groups will come to the conclusion that "winning" this particular tag is not worth the confusion caused by the varied usage and claim another (perhaps more specific) tag. I don't imagine it will be us, however, unless we opt for a new company name. I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on that. ;)<br><br>twitter.com/mary_bradley<br><a href="http://expertsofsocialmedia.com" rel="nofollow">expertsofsocialmedia.com</a> Ah, a perfectly reasonable post :) I think that the impetus behind our goading of the Emerson group is mainly that no one, especially a college class with a roster of rotating participants, can claim ownership of a three letter acronym/unspecific hashtag. It's all fair game. We don't expect them to stop using it and they shouldn't expect us to stop using it either. Hopefully, eventually one of our groups will come to the conclusion that “winning” this particular tag is not worth the confusion caused by the varied usage and claim another (perhaps more specific) tag. I don't imagine it will be us, however, unless we opt for a new company name. I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on that. ;)

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]]> By: Russ L http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/792/hashtags-and-the-desire-to-own-and-organise/comment-page-1/#comment-1398 Russ L Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:27:31 +0000 http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/?p=792#comment-1398 This is massively pissy-patronising in itself, though.<br><br>Everyone is chaining from different axioms. It's like horse-rustling in the wild west or summat. This is massively pissy-patronising in itself, though.

Everyone is chaining from different axioms. It's like horse-rustling in the wild west or summat.

]]> By: @Dan_Rosenberg http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/792/hashtags-and-the-desire-to-own-and-organise/comment-page-1/#comment-1396 @Dan_Rosenberg Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:39:54 +0000 http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/?p=792#comment-1396 At risk of stepping on toes and reiterating that which has already been said, I'm here to make a short and simple comment. <br><br>Emerson had it's first Social Media class last year (Spring 2009). It has since been using #ESM as a way to collect all posts related to the class in an open, searchable environment. Bounds makes an excellent comment - that an open conversation is very likely to be violated eventually. The problem that arises here is that by using #ESM for two different classes, it leaves everyone (not just emerson, not just Experts in Social Media) sifting through the posts finding something meaningful. Granted, this may sound lazy, but that's why we used the Hashtag in the first place - to organize ourselves. <br><br>Someone recently called Emerson's reaction "childish", and in a way they're right. People got defensive, clinging tight to something that has worked for a long time. But the other childish reaction was the willing and intentional continued behavior after people expressed annoyance with what the experts in social media had done. <br><br>It was the equivalent of walking backwards, accidentally stepping on someone's toe and -instead of going a different way - staying there, twiddling your thumbs. <br><br>This turned longer than it had to be, but the point is made.<br> @Matt, don't make them the bad guy, they just don't understand what they did wrong.<br> @ Rob Riggs, was it necessary to turn this into a personal attack on Matt's character? I'd expect more from a so-called expert. <br><br>@Everyone, take a step back and drop the pissing contest. At risk of stepping on toes and reiterating that which has already been said, I'm here to make a short and simple comment.

Emerson had it's first Social Media class last year (Spring 2009). It has since been using #ESM as a way to collect all posts related to the class in an open, searchable environment. Bounds makes an excellent comment – that an open conversation is very likely to be violated eventually. The problem that arises here is that by using #ESM for two different classes, it leaves everyone (not just emerson, not just Experts in Social Media) sifting through the posts finding something meaningful. Granted, this may sound lazy, but that's why we used the Hashtag in the first place – to organize ourselves.

Someone recently called Emerson's reaction “childish”, and in a way they're right. People got defensive, clinging tight to something that has worked for a long time. But the other childish reaction was the willing and intentional continued behavior after people expressed annoyance with what the experts in social media had done.

It was the equivalent of walking backwards, accidentally stepping on someone's toe and -instead of going a different way – staying there, twiddling your thumbs.

This turned longer than it had to be, but the point is made.
@Matt, don't make them the bad guy, they just don't understand what they did wrong.
@ Rob Riggs, was it necessary to turn this into a personal attack on Matt's character? I'd expect more from a so-called expert.

@Everyone, take a step back and drop the pissing contest.

]]> By: rob riggs http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/792/hashtags-and-the-desire-to-own-and-organise/comment-page-1/#comment-1395 rob riggs Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:32:24 +0000 http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/?p=792#comment-1395 Matt's reply is a perfect illustration of personal character shining through. Ever try an anger management class, Matt? Maybe Emerson offers one... Matt's reply is a perfect illustration of personal character shining through. Ever try an anger management class, Matt? Maybe Emerson offers one…

]]> By: Brian Hess http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/792/hashtags-and-the-desire-to-own-and-organise/comment-page-1/#comment-1394 Brian Hess Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:24:34 +0000 http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/?p=792#comment-1394 You #clearly must be talking about that classic but still tasty staple in kitchens around the world from Hormel Foods Corporation - SPAM®. Please reference <a href="http://Dictionary.com" rel="nofollow">Dictionary.com</a> for the definition of spam. ;) #cleary<br><br>twitter.com/brian_hess<br><a href="http://ExpertsOfSocialMedia.com" rel="nofollow">ExpertsOfSocialMedia.com</a> You #clearly must be talking about that classic but still tasty staple in kitchens around the world from Hormel Foods Corporation – SPAM®. Please reference Dictionary.com for the definition of spam. ;) #cleary

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]]> By: Brian Hess http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/792/hashtags-and-the-desire-to-own-and-organise/comment-page-1/#comment-1393 Brian Hess Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:21:58 +0000 http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/?p=792#comment-1393 You #clearly must be talking about that classic but still tasty staple in kitchens around the world from Hormel Foods Corporation - SPAM®. Please reference <a href="http://Dictionary.com" rel="nofollow">Dictionary.com</a> for the definition of spam. ;) #cleary<br><br>twitter.com/brian_hess<br><a href="http://ExpertsOfSocialMedia.com" rel="nofollow">ExpertsOfSocialMedia.com</a> You #clearly must be talking about that classic but still tasty staple in kitchens around the world from Hormel Foods Corporation – SPAM®. Please reference Dictionary.com for the definition of spam. ;) #cleary

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]]> By: Matt Karolian http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/792/hashtags-and-the-desire-to-own-and-organise/comment-page-1/#comment-1392 Matt Karolian Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:46:33 +0000 http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/?p=792#comment-1392 Why do you have such an attitude when it comes to #ESM? We were there first, we asked you to stop mucking up our conversation with your training-wheeled tweeters, yet you continue to spam the crap out of #ESM. <br><br>I wish I could get my jollies by being a troll, must be an easy life. Why do you have such an attitude when it comes to #ESM? We were there first, we asked you to stop mucking up our conversation with your training-wheeled tweeters, yet you continue to spam the crap out of #ESM.

I wish I could get my jollies by being a troll, must be an easy life.

]]> By: Mary Bradley http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/792/hashtags-and-the-desire-to-own-and-organise/comment-page-1/#comment-1391 Mary Bradley Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:38:57 +0000 http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/?p=792#comment-1391 Alas, all of the world is not in Boston. If you will kindly reread my original post, you'll be sure to note that "shortly after we researched it, Emerson College began using it again." :) <br><br>Just think of how disappointed you'll be when I start using the #clearly hashtag. Clearly. :)<br><br>Twitter.com/mary_bradley<br><a href="http://Expertsofsocialmedia.com" rel="nofollow">Expertsofsocialmedia.com</a> Alas, all of the world is not in Boston. If you will kindly reread my original post, you'll be sure to note that “shortly after we researched it, Emerson College began using it again.” :)

Just think of how disappointed you'll be when I start using the #clearly hashtag. Clearly. :)

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]]> By: Matt Karolian http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/792/hashtags-and-the-desire-to-own-and-organise/comment-page-1/#comment-1390 Matt Karolian Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:38:31 +0000 http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/?p=792#comment-1390 Hi Russ,<br>I think your example works if for instance we both started using the # at the same time. This was not the case. #ESM was a well established # so much so that a week ago it was the top trending topic on twitter in Boston. Hi Russ,
I think your example works if for instance we both started using the # at the same time. This was not the case. #ESM was a well established # so much so that a week ago it was the top trending topic on twitter in Boston.

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