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	<title>Comments on: The Big City Plan &#8211; Part 4 &#8211; Did it work?</title>
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		<title>By: &#187; Reflections on Big City Talk</title>
		<link>http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/508/the-big-city-plan-part-4-did-it-work/comment-page-1/#comment-901</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Reflections on Big City Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Part 4 - the results (which, admittedly are far from settled at this point) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Bounds</title>
		<link>http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/508/the-big-city-plan-part-4-did-it-work/comment-page-1/#comment-867</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Bounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@james It&#039;s very interesting how different councils are handling this sort of stuff. Birmingham CC are &quot;interested&quot; but so far I think only some sections of central government have actually been able to move ahead and try this sort of thing for themselves.

I certainly think that local authorities should be collaborating on everything, instead of the vague competition aspect that central government encourages.

The thing about &#039;social&#039; media is that if public bodies don&#039;t start to engage then active citizens will force their hand somewhat with actions like this.

Always happy to help people who are looking to dip their toes into the sometimes wobbly waters - from either side of the fence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@james It&#8217;s very interesting how different councils are handling this sort of stuff. Birmingham CC are &#8220;interested&#8221; but so far I think only some sections of central government have actually been able to move ahead and try this sort of thing for themselves.</p>
<p>I certainly think that local authorities should be collaborating on everything, instead of the vague competition aspect that central government encourages.</p>
<p>The thing about &#8217;social&#8217; media is that if public bodies don&#8217;t start to engage then active citizens will force their hand somewhat with actions like this.</p>
<p>Always happy to help people who are looking to dip their toes into the sometimes wobbly waters &#8211; from either side of the fence.</p>
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		<title>By: Big City Talk &#8212; Getgood Guide</title>
		<link>http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/508/the-big-city-plan-part-4-did-it-work/comment-page-1/#comment-859</link>
		<dc:creator>Big City Talk &#8212; Getgood Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 00:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Part 4 - the results (which, admittedly are far from settled at this point) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: james Rock</title>
		<link>http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/508/the-big-city-plan-part-4-did-it-work/comment-page-1/#comment-851</link>
		<dc:creator>james Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some great observations here and I agree with all of them.

One thing I think we should bear in mind is how good is Birmingham in comparison with other local authorities? We can be critical, but maybe Birmingham Council is more enlightened than we think? Is anyone aware of other authorities doing it better? Which authority is considered &quot;best practice&quot; in using social media as a public consultation process tool? Is Birmingham an &quot;early adopter? a &quot;fast follower&quot; or a &quot;laggard&quot;?

Perhaps there&#039;s room for a collaborative group sharing knowledge about this subject across the 350+ local authorities in UK?

James Rock
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some great observations here and I agree with all of them.</p>
<p>One thing I think we should bear in mind is how good is Birmingham in comparison with other local authorities? We can be critical, but maybe Birmingham Council is more enlightened than we think? Is anyone aware of other authorities doing it better? Which authority is considered &#8220;best practice&#8221; in using social media as a public consultation process tool? Is Birmingham an &#8220;early adopter? a &#8220;fast follower&#8221; or a &#8220;laggard&#8221;?</p>
<p>Perhaps there&#8217;s room for a collaborative group sharing knowledge about this subject across the 350+ local authorities in UK?</p>
<p>James Rock<br />
<a href="http://cultivar.wordpress.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://cultivar.wordpress.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: What I've missed - the big RSS catch-up &#124; Simon Wakeman - public sector communications, marketing and public relations</title>
		<link>http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/508/the-big-city-plan-part-4-did-it-work/comment-page-1/#comment-838</link>
		<dc:creator>What I've missed - the big RSS catch-up &#124; Simon Wakeman - public sector communications, marketing and public relations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve written before about how the Birmingham&#8217;s volunteer-led Big City Talk website was a great example of how social media can be used as part of a consultation and engagement campaign - although this one was produced by a group of volunteers working independently of Birmingham City Council. I also had the chance to meet a couple of the people behind the site back in December. Now Jon Bounds has posted a great four-part insight into the project - well worth reading for anyone involved in public sector communications or consultation: part one, part two, part three and part four. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve written before about how the Birmingham&#8217;s volunteer-led Big City Talk website was a great example of how social media can be used as part of a consultation and engagement campaign &#8211; although this one was produced by a group of volunteers working independently of Birmingham City Council. I also had the chance to meet a couple of the people behind the site back in December. Now Jon Bounds has posted a great four-part insight into the project &#8211; well worth reading for anyone involved in public sector communications or consultation: part one, part two, part three and part four. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Podnosh Blog &#187; Archive &#187; Links: Trust, collaborative planning and google maps</title>
		<link>http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/508/the-big-city-plan-part-4-did-it-work/comment-page-1/#comment-830</link>
		<dc:creator>Podnosh Blog &#187; Archive &#187; Links: Trust, collaborative planning and google maps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Birmingham City Council seems incapable of understanding how public engagement works.&#8221; Jon Bounds on the same: &#8220;The resources needed to produce the Big City Talk site were only time (the domain name cost [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Birmingham City Council seems incapable of understanding how public engagement works.&#8221; Jon Bounds on the same: &#8220;The resources needed to produce the Big City Talk site were only time (the domain name cost [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Bounds</title>
		<link>http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/508/the-big-city-plan-part-4-did-it-work/comment-page-1/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Bounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I suspect the example you’ve given here has opened the door for other citizens to do the same more than it will push the council into change. But then it’s the former than matters - that we become more active citizens - more than the latter.

I really hope there is some institutional change - and think there will be, however slowly it happens - because the effort expended on helping engamenet here could have been used to do things extra to what could be done already - I&#039;m not sure any of the people involved in the BCT site had the engery left to actually comment on the consultation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>I suspect the example you’ve given here has opened the door for other citizens to do the same more than it will push the council into change. But then it’s the former than matters &#8211; that we become more active citizens &#8211; more than the latter.</p>
<p>I really hope there is some institutional change &#8211; and think there will be, however slowly it happens &#8211; because the effort expended on helping engamenet here could have been used to do things extra to what could be done already &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure any of the people involved in the BCT site had the engery left to actually comment on the consultation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Harte</title>
		<link>http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/508/the-big-city-plan-part-4-did-it-work/comment-page-1/#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Harte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The only thing stopping Birmingham City Council running a “social” online consultation was the organisational will. I think there may be more of that now.&quot; 

I think you&#039;re right - there may be more will to do more &#039;social&#039; online consultations but I think the City is still quite some distance from having effective mechanisms to actually undertake those consultations. 

I suspect the example you&#039;ve given here has opened the door for other citizens to do the same more than it will push the council into change. But then it&#039;s the former than matters - that we become more active citizens - more than the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only thing stopping Birmingham City Council running a “social” online consultation was the organisational will. I think there may be more of that now.&#8221; </p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right &#8211; there may be more will to do more &#8217;social&#8217; online consultations but I think the City is still quite some distance from having effective mechanisms to actually undertake those consultations. </p>
<p>I suspect the example you&#8217;ve given here has opened the door for other citizens to do the same more than it will push the council into change. But then it&#8217;s the former than matters &#8211; that we become more active citizens &#8211; more than the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Bounds</title>
		<link>http://www.jonbounds.co.uk/blog/508/the-big-city-plan-part-4-did-it-work/comment-page-1/#comment-824</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Bounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to kick that off here&#039;s Nick Booth talking eloquently about the process: &lt;a href=&quot;http://socialreporter.com/?p=509&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://socialreporter.com/?p=509&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to kick that off here&#8217;s Nick Booth talking eloquently about the process: <a href="http://socialreporter.com/?p=509" rel="nofollow">http://socialreporter.com/?p=509</a>.</p>
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